SUCK ON IT!

wsox8 · Guru

July 22-27 Game Day Thread

wsox8 · Guru

TAKE IT EASY ON ME, BEEF

MapleLeafs · 2010 FCHL Runner-Up

Oh this is lovely. I go Napoli, Douche, Napoli over the final 3 weeks. Bye bye to the slim chance I had at playoffs! :)

wsox8 · Guru

blame the guy who makes the schedules. He's a big douche :)

MapleLeafs · 2010 FCHL Runner-Up

Nah its OK. I made hay when I played Underdogs, Koji and Collin. My team is what it is.

Pawtucket Perennials · Senior Member

My team has been putting up less points lately. The formula to beat me is mid 30s in batting and a decent pitching performance. It's actually making me a bit nervous about playoff performance...

Long Ball Whalers · #RAGE Founder

I have 5 1B on the DL now. Just in time for my biggest series of the year, what ****ty timing. I dont have a CI, so if anyone wants to trade me one (is deadline pushed back?), hit me up.

Im too sick to really look myself.

wsox8 · Guru

TUES 7/22

-- Edited by wsox8 on Wednesday 23rd of July 2014 10:04:35 AM

GOCUBSGO · Guru

have i mentioned how much i hate the way we score pitching.

MapleLeafs · 2010 FCHL Runner-Up

has anyone mentioned how much it sucks to put up a top 3 score of the night and still lose.

-- Edited by MapleLeafs on Wednesday 23rd of July 2014 10:29:16 AM

wsox8 · Guru

GOCUBSGO wrote:
have i mentioned how much i hate the way we score pitching.

I could read back probably but what are your thoughts on new points? We can certainly look at stuff again in the off season.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

Mostly I think we are overvaluing K's. I don't see why K's should be worth 1, but walks and runs allowed are only worth -0.5. To me those things should be equal. That's my biggest issue, but I wouldn't mind seeing some bonuses added for perfect games, no hitters, shutouts, etc.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

I also think wins could be worth more than 3.

Last night my team pitched a shutout and got the win.

Dubeys team gave up 3 runs and lost.

We somehow finish with the same amount of pitching points. He only had 4 more K's and 1 less walk. Seems silly to me is all.

Dubey · Tall

I'm definitely willing to look at some changes to pitching scoring in the offseason.

Pawtucket Perennials · Senior Member

Food for thought.... As of today's standings the magic numbers to clinch each conference are:

Campbell Conference: 11
Wales Conference: 7
Overall: 9

-- Edited by Pawtucket Perennials on Wednesday 23rd of July 2014 02:09:28 PM

Long Ball Whalers · #RAGE Founder

Sorry, I cant find the playoff dates anywhere, can someone point them out to me? thanks

wsox8 · Guru

I'll dig them up and post threads, however I remember debating what day to start on. Let me check.

wsox8 · Guru

here we go. Here's what I said after making the schedule

Playoffs would start on August 12 (or August 10 if you really wanted to start a playoff series on a Sunday) and potentially go until September 9th.

Dan responded with Pending others' opinions, I would be inclined to start the playoffs on August 10 to allow us to get done a bit earlier, and also to make it more 'fair' because the August 10 game would have different team matchups than the games played in the following week, and thereby spread out variance a little.

Dubes said I agree with Danny's thoughts.

and no one else said anything so I didn't make a decision. So when do we want to start playoffs? August 10th or August 12th which is a Tuesday?

Dubey · Tall

Let's start on the 10th

wsox8 · Guru

I can do 10th, not a huge difference. I'll post playoffs schedule soon.

UNDERDOG · Guru

the more early the better

oh and i hate our pitching forma too

SBriand · #RAGE

No offense to anyone but we've had the pitching debate numerous times and nothing has ever changed. I think because people express there dislike about it but don't actually offer solutions or new pitching models. I think Dubey did on the last go around and through Matts awesome excel skills using the previous seasons stats they compared the scoring differences and nothing really changed. All I'm saying is that if you want it changed then sit down and start working in a solution. With new faves maybe they can come up with something new. I don't care either way. My suggestion at this point due to the number of times we've debated this is to just scratch pitching all together and just use batters.

wsox8 · Guru

SBriand wrote:
No offense to anyone but we've had the pitching debate numerous times and nothing has ever changed. I think because people express there dislike about it but don't actually offer solutions or new pitching models. I think Dubey did on the last go around and through Matts awesome excel skills using the previous seasons stats they compared the scoring differences and nothing really changed. All I'm saying is that if you want it changed then sit down and start working in a solution. With new faves maybe they can come up with something new. I don't care either way. My suggestion at this point due to the number of times we've debated this is to just scratch pitching all together and just use batters.

exactly. Every year we talk about pitching but there hasn't been a solution proposed that has made it worth it to change. If you were to get rid of pitching, how would you work on the salaries since some of us pay a crap load for pitching and some don't? Just delete them from the sheets and move on? I know I'd like to get rid of the Phillies because of the cap they are taking up right now :)

Again, if anyone has any solid proposals for changing pitching, we can look at what is best but normally we just hear a "let's change pitching" and then that's it and nothing changes because nothing super was ever proposed. We can run #s with this year's pitching to see how solid the system is too, like Steve mentioned above.

wsox8 · Guru

WED 7/23

I have Darvish marked with a CG, which I believe is correct. If it's really not then Go Bears win. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dubey · Tall

I will come up with a couple of pitching proposals in the offseason. Others are welcome to as well. I'm also open to the idea of scratching pitching altogether.

Pawtucket Perennials · Senior Member

I think we can brainstorm some new scoring systems but I think pitching is key piece of fantasy baseball as well.

wsox8 · Guru

I'm against getting rid of pitching too even though I do all of it manually :)

GOCUBSGO · Guru

I would like to keep pitching, but change how/what we score. I'm going to start working on a proposal as well.

SBriand · #RAGE

Suggest checking out this thread. Think this was the last pitching discussion. It has a lot of data showing a few different formats that put us where we are today. Fwiw season one you would have pitch in scores in thev30's. Lol

fcpbl.activeboard.com/t42111109/pitching/

Dubey · Tall

lol yeah we used to have Ks worth 2 points, BBs and Runs were -1, and wins were 5 I believe.

Dubey · Tall

SBriand wrote:
Suggest checking out this thread. Think this was the last pitching discussion. It has a lot of data showing a few different formats that put us where we are today. Fwiw season one you would have pitch in scores in thev30's. Lol

fcpbl.activeboard.com/t42111109/pitching/

I wish I still had the spreadsheets I used.

I think I just took a random 70 game sample size and entered in all of the pitching stats for each game into a spreadsheet, then fiddled around with different scoring systems to see how it affected overall pitcher scoring. I know in season one we had pitching scores frequently in the 20s because Ks were worth 2 points, and we wanted to reduce that, which is why we ultimately decided on our current format.

I don't hate our current format. It creates certain oddities, such as Josh outlined above in his complaint, but for the most part, it is a pretty decent scoring system. I'm always open to ideas to improve the league though, and I'm definitely not against changes to the pitching scoring if it makes sense.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

I would just like to see pitching teams rewarded for throwing low hit, low run outings. About the only way you get a good pitching score is if you have lots of K's. Strikeouts aren't the only measure of quality pitching. Thats way too much weight on one stat imo. I also think wins are too low. Its basically the equivalent of 3 k's right now. I think saves can be eliminated entirely. Saves are usually only included in fantasy as a way to give value to relief pitchers, but it's mostly regarded as a terrible stat. Same with holds. Since we don't own individual pitchers (specifically relievers) I don't see any reason to include it.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

Also the point about some proposals not really changing the pitching scores is a good thing imo. I think our current model is close to being very good. My hope is that we can create something that doesn't severely alter pitching scores, but addresses some oddities and shortcomings of our current system

wsox8 · Guru

GOCUBSGO wrote:
I would just like to see pitching teams rewarded for throwing low hit, low run outings. About the only way you get a good pitching score is if you have lots of K's. Strikeouts aren't the only measure of quality pitching. Thats way too much weight on one stat imo. I also think wins are too low. Its basically the equivalent of 3 k's right now. I think saves can be eliminated entirely. Saves are usually only included in fantasy as a way to give value to relief pitchers, but it's mostly regarded as a terrible stat. Same with holds. Since we don't own individual pitchers (specifically relievers) I don't see any reason to include it.

I've been on board for eliminating saves for a while and yeah holds suck too which is why they aren't included right now.

SBriand · #RAGE

Yeah season 1 had holds as well I think.

The only possible issue with changing K's is that most people chose their teams not necessarily because of wins but rotations with the most strikeout pitchers. You cut into that too much then people are stuck with teams that won't fit the pitching model. We'd have to find a fair way to give teams a chance to replace pitchers they would not have on contract under a different system.

I also know it's been suggested to actually have pitchers. But I think that creates a ton of extra work for Matt.

Dubey · Tall

umm. 3 triples for yasiel Puig last night, wow. I think that's about 4 or 5 times more rare than hitting for a cycle.

Dubey · Tall

some quick fact checking reveals it is actually 6 times more rare than hitting for the cycle.

3 triples in 1 game has happened only 49 times in MLB history, as opposed to 308 times for the cycle. It is also about 6 times more rare than a no-hitter (280 occurences), and about half as rare as a perfect game (23 occurences)

Long Ball Whalers · #RAGE Founder

wow, 3 triples is incredible, in terms of the rarity.

wsox8 · Guru

FRI 7/25 AND SAT 7/26

UNDERDOG · Guru

your missing me and bears friday result on there

Long Ball Whalers · #RAGE Founder

just to add to the pitching stuff, and whine at the same time....

9IP 2H 0R 1BB 7K
complete game shutout

9IP 9H 3R 3BB 10K
(5 pitchers combined, also 1SV, starter only went 6IP gave up all the hits+walks+runs)

The top scores 10.5, the bottom scores 11.5.

Ya, I think maybe K's are worth a bit much and I cant figure out how we decided that a complete game win is worth the same as 1 strikeout.
Also, lets all remember to add something for CG shutouts.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

You are going down again today Bulls. Fear the Cowgills

wsox8 · Guru

FOR REFERENCE if you don't read back in the July 1st game day thread

JULY 1ST original games

Broadway beat Koji Beef 30+14.5 = 44.5 to 24+19.5 = 43.5

However there was a stat correction and now Broadway's hitting is listed as 28 for that day which makes him lose by 1 point

wsox8 · Guru

SUN 7/27

current standings after stat corrections and Broadway win changed to a loss

stat corrections are current as of week 16 on yahoo

Dubey · Tall

Well, final series between me and Assman could be very interesting. Also, Me and Andre facing off this week. Missing the playoffs would suck.

gobears · Guru

Dubey wrote:
Well, final series between me and Assman could be very interesting. Also, Me and Andre facing off this week. Missing the playoffs would suck.

Yeah - one team is not going to be happy at the end of next week

Dubey · Tall

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it ends up being me on the outside looking in.

I made a mistake in building my team this year in that I had no backup at all at the MI positions. I probably should have taken Pedroia instead of Bautista in the dispersal draft.

Now, with Brett Lawrie, Troy Tulowitzki, and Everth Cabrera all injured, my middle infield is hilariously bad. I'm trotting out Logan Forsythe, Kike Hernandez, and Sean Rodriguez in my starting lineup. Hardly the look of a contending team.

wsox8 · Guru

you're all certainly more deserving than me this season.

GOCUBSGO · Guru

Wow I guess I didn't even realize your team was doing that well Matt. Shows how much I actually pay attention to the standings lol. For some reason, I thought you were in rebuild mode.

wsox8 · Guru

GOCUBSGO wrote:
Wow I guess I didn't even realize your team was doing that well Matt. Shows how much I actually pay attention to the standings lol. For some reason, I thought you were in rebuild mode.

I'm always half rebuilding, half trying which is why I'm always out in the first round of every playoffs.