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The rules state:

If you drop a player that is in the final year of his contract, you are free of his salary. However, if you want to drop a player that has 1 or more years remaining after the current season on their contract, you must buy that player out for half of his contract PER SEASON.

Example: You sign Player A to a 3 year contract at 6.00, 7.00, 8.00. A week into season 1, he decides he wants to see the world and smoke dope. $3.00 comes off your cap season 1, $3.50 season 2, $4.00 season 3.

 

Is this accurate?  It would seem to me that since the season has already started $3.00 would NOT have to come off cap to buyout season 1.  Season 2 and 3 would still obviously cost half of remaining salary.

 

Also, we should sticky the RULES thread :)



-- Edited by digitalmonkey on Tuesday 29th of March 2011 09:15:57 AM

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digitalmonkey wrote:

The rules state:

If you drop a player that is in the final year of his contract, you are free of his salary. However, if you want to drop a player that has 1 or more years remaining after the current season on their contract, you must buy that player out for half of his contract PER SEASON.

Example: You sign Player A to a 3 year contract at 6.00, 7.00, 8.00. A week into season 1, he decides he wants to see the world and smoke dope. $3.00 comes off your cap season 1, $3.50 season 2, $4.00 season 3.

 

Is this accurate?  It would seem to me that since the season has already started $3.00 would NOT have to come off cap to buyout season 1.  Season 2 and 3 would still obviously cost half of remaining salary.

 

Also, we should sticky the RULES thread :)



 

 Acually my q would be if he came back. If i pick him up mid season do i pick up his contract aswell. 



-- Edited by UNDERDOG on Tuesday 29th of March 2011 09:45:34 AM

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If he's bought out then I would assume he's available as $1.00 pickup.

If he was dropped with a salary of, say, $2.75 with no buyout then his salary would remain $2.75 if he was picked up.

That's what I think.

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Here is answer to your q dale

Example: You sign Player A to a 3 year contract at 6.00, 7.00, 8.00. A week into season 1, he decides he wants to see the world and smoke dope. $3.00 comes off your cap season 1, $3.50 season 2, $4.00 season 3.

But i cant find anything on the pick up part of my q

Personally i think we should pick up all there contract aswell .

this way if no one grabs him he will go to auction

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UNDERDOG wrote:

Here is answer to your q dale

Example: You sign Player A to a 3 year contract at 6.00, 7.00, 8.00. A week into season 1, he decides he wants to see the world and smoke dope. $3.00 comes off your cap season 1, $3.50 season 2, $4.00 season 3.

But i cant find anything on the pick up part of my q

Personally i think we should pick up all there contract aswell .

this way if no one grabs him he will go to auction


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That is NOT the answer to my question.  My question was whether that was accurate or not.

 

I disagree with you.  Why should another GM have to pick up their contract when it has been bought out.  The only contract that should have to be picked up is the contract for year 1.

 



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You asked if you have to pay the 3 bucks of the 1st year of a 6 7 8 contract a week into the season

In that statement of the rule it says yes ( buy out is 3 3.5 and 4)

Sounds accurate to me

Now hush and lets find something else to bet on or trade lol



-- Edited by UNDERDOG on Tuesday 29th of March 2011 10:34:56 AM

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UNDERDOG wrote:

You asked if you have to pay the 3 bucks of the 1st year of a 6 7 8 contract a week into the season

In that statement of the rule it says yes ( buy out is 3 3.5 and 4)

Sounds accurate to me

Now hush and lets find something else to bet on or trade lol



-- Edited by UNDERDOG on Tuesday 29th of March 2011 10:30:09 AM


 

 Follow along or I'll bring out the hand puppets.

 

I know what the rule says.  It doesn't seem right to me.  If I drop a player signed for just this year then I don't have to buy out anything.  If I drop a player signed for 3 years then YES I should have to buy out year 2 and year 3, but why does year 1 have to be bought out...THAT is my question...LOL



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The rule is accurate. I guess there are benefits and problems to both ways. I think it makes sense to charge half of the player's contract in year 1 of a multi-year deal, but I see why that isn't really consistent with not requiring any buyout if it is the last year of their deal.

Does anyone else agree with Dale it'd make more sense to not take away any current-year cap in the case of a multi-year buyout? i.e. someone signed at $6/7/8 costs only $3.5/4 in the next two years, but you get all $6 back in the current year.

Won't be changed this year of course, but for the future.

In the FCHL, we have always done it that anyone dropped mid-season is available at the same price. So in the above scenario, the player would be available at $6. If Alcides Escobar, signed for $2.75 gets dropped, then he is available at $2.75. If Mark Ellis, who was paid $0.25 in the FA auction is dropped, he is available for $0.25 as well.

We'll likely make a thread when people start to drop players to track anyone who is an FA and carries a salary that is not $1.

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I'll sticky the rules when there are more than two topics in the rules forum.

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mrdannyg wrote:

The rule is accurate. I guess there are benefits and problems to both ways. I think it makes sense to charge half of the player's contract in year 1 of a multi-year deal, but I see why that isn't really consistent with not requiring any buyout if it is the last year of their deal.

Does anyone else agree with Dale it'd make more sense to not take away any current-year cap in the case of a multi-year buyout? i.e. someone signed at $6/7/8 costs only $3.5/4 in the next two years, but you get all $6 back in the current year.

Won't be changed this year of course, but for the future.

In the FCHL, we have always done it that anyone dropped mid-season is available at the same price. So in the above scenario, the player would be available at $6. If Alcides Escobar, signed for $2.75 gets dropped, then he is available at $2.75. If Mark Ellis, who was paid $0.25 in the FA auction is dropped, he is available for $0.25 as well.

We'll likely make a thread when people start to drop players to track anyone who is an FA and carries a salary that is not $1.


 

 I agree that a player dropped should only be available for pickup at the salary they were dropped.  Ex/If I drop Alcides Escobar then he should be available for pickup at $2.75

 

I don't think any GM should have to buyout half the salary of Year 1 because they were already punished by not having that cap hit available prior to the draft.  They should have to pay half of the year 1 salary if they buyout prior to the draft.



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I kind of understand dales point though.


Your paying half the contract of current year ( multi year)but if you drop a player on his last year you pay nothing

EX

Player 3 year contract 4 6 8 you pay 2 3 4 to buy him out

player 1 year 4 bucks cost ya nothing

these are both mid season of course

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The rules state we are allowed 2 transactions per week. Is this in any 7-day period or from Monday to Sunday. I'm assuming it's Monday to Sunday but I think we should clarify.

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It's always been mon- sun.

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Is the "max 2 FA pickups per week" rule still in effect at this point in the season?

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I would assume so. Always has been.

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What happens if:

- someone buys out a couple of players
- and that someone needs to replace those roster spots to have the minimum # of players
- but that someone has already made two transactions for the week

Hypothetically, of course!


NOTE: The above scenario is presented under the assumption that the ability to pick up FAs ends on August 9, 2012 as the RULES state the ability to pick up FAs ends 1 week after the trade deadline.

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I'd say in that scenario the person cannot buy out those players if doing so leaves them below the roster minimum with no (legal) way to replace them. They would be able to buy them out if they are also calling up a farm player to replace them.

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mrdannyg wrote:

I'd say in that scenario the person cannot buy out those players if doing so leaves them below the roster minimum with no (legal) way to replace them. They would be able to buy them out if they are also calling up a farm player to replace them.


 Makes sense!

 

Another question...also hypothetically :)

 

Example/

Darin Burton is signed to the following contract:

2012 $1.25

2013 $1.25

2014 $1.25

2015 $1.25

It should cost $2.50 to buyout this contract. From what I understand it would cost 50% of the player's salary in each season to buy him out.  

Would it cost me..err, I mean someone,  an extra $0.50 to buyout Mr. Burton?  $0.75 per season x 4 = $3.00



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Annoyingly, we've always done in the FCHL that it is half the salary, per season, rounded up. So yes, $0.75/year. Pretty much the same reason that Andres Torres is still a DoucheGator. If you can think of something simple and not exploitable to get around this, I'm all ears. Hell, we could even make the rule something like:

- buyout is for half of the player's total contract.
- if possible, buyout has to be equal across every year. if not possible, the 'extra' quarters are assigned to the earlier years. So in Barton's example, he'd be owed $2.50 across 4 years, which would be $0.75/$0.75/$0.50/$0.50.

That makes more sense, right?

We'll have a vote on it of course, and really, shouldn't implement it as a rule until the current contracts all expire since it may have effected people's decisions, but since we're only talking about a quarter here and there, might be worthwhile just jamming the rule in and not worrying that it may have unfairly effected some people by a quarter here and there.

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That does make more sense.

We can vote and implement the rule right away; or we can vote and wait until season's end to implement the rule, but I'll just need to know so I can decide what is best for my team.

I'm definitely buying out Barton, but when I do it is somewhat flexible. It's probably good that this is being discussed now that we're only talking about a couple of quarters and that I am a non-playoff team.

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Do we have any rules about forcing farm callups?  It just seems strange to me that owners can keep players down on the farm when they are up in the majors raking 

In another league that I'm in; once a player loses MLB rookie status, you have to call them up at the beginning of the next season.  So if a batter has exceeded 150 ab or been on the club more than 45 days (during 25 player limit), they would have to be called up.



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I don't think we have one but I think there has been some discussion. I am sure danny would put up a poll.

In the fchl we instituted a rule that states if your farmhand made a tier you had to bring him up next season.

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So like whoever has kipnis would be forced to call him up next season. I think hosmer and trout as well

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Polls are up now!

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